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Sick of dealing with ESL dictators - who - should be delivering care in their own countries!


Posted: Mar 05, 2013

The United States should NOT be a "brain-drain" for "professional" people.  IT IS IN OUR INTEREST FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE EDUCATION IN MEDICINE, ENGINEERING, ETC. TO GO BACK TO THEIR HOME COUNTRIES AND WORK TO IMPROVE CONDITIONS THERE, INSTEAD OF MAKING A "FORTUNE" HERE IN THE UNITED STATES.

This business of "importing people we need" is EXTREMELY SHORTSIGHTED.

 

 

Right, I can only imagine what the resultant shortage would be like if they all went back home. - sm

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Despite the language barrier, there is no indication that international medical graduates are any less competent than U.S. doctors.


 


.... All but a few states require graduates of non-U.S. medical schools to complete longer post-graduate residency training -- generally one to two years longer -- than graduates of U.S. medical schools before being eligible for a state license to practice medicine. ....


 The additional requirements purportedly ensure that international medical graduates meet the same standards as American-trained doctors. But the study authors are skeptical of this rationale for a number of reasons.


 First, in order to even be eligible to apply for residency training in the U.S., international medical graduates must demonstrate that their qualifications are equivalent to U.S. medical graduates by passing three sections of the U.S. Medical Licensing Exam.


The test is not easy; in 2008, only 42.6 percent of international medical graduates passed all three components of the test on their first try, and only 73 percent of those who passed all necessary exams eventually found a residency -- and getting a residency match is effectively an additional level of quality screening. This screening is effective, the authors note: post-licensure, according to other studies, there are few differences between U.S. and international medical graduates in patient health outcomes, or in the frequency of disciplinary actions by state medical boards.


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/01/130122142841.htm


 


....What is clear is that the physician shortage would be considerably worse without the presence in this country of tens of thousands of international medical graduates (IMGs). Foreign-born graduates of international medical schools now comprise about 20% of all physicians in active patient care in the United States. In some specialties, such as cardiology, internal medicine, psychiatry, and nephrology, they comprise 30% or more of all active physicians.


About 6,000 IMGs complete residency training in the United States each year. Many of them remain here, often practicing in underserved areas to meet visa requirements. Others would like to stay but eventually practice elsewhere due to annual visa quotas and other immigration restrictions. These quotas and restrictions should be removed to ensure that any physician trained and qualified to practice medicine in the United States has the option of doing so.


http://www.healthleadersmedia.com/content/PHY-240214/International-Medical-Graduates-Key-to-Solving-the-Physician-Shortage.html

ESL - outahere

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They need to add 1 more requirement, learn functional English. We should not have to struggle to the extent we do in order to decipher what ESLs are saying or be penalized by QA if we can't. Either that, or pay us better for indulging their lack of knowledge and use of the English language. Any English speaking profession who goes to work in a foreign country cannot survive without learning the language and speaking it properly. Slip shod English jeopardizes patient care.

I agree. The accents are not the problem. - sm

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Any person who is going to dictate medical information in English needs to have a grasp of how properly to construct a sentence in English. Many times it is difficult to discern an ESL dictator's meaning, but not because an MT cannot understand the words that are being spoken. Any dictator needs to be able to convey his or her exact thoughts. As MTs, we cannot be expected to transcribe what we think someone means. They have to say what they mean and mean what they say in a coherent way.
Could not agree with you more - Lucy
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We are not mind readers. Where I think another problem comes into focus is with absolute verbatim transcription and when the ESL cannot construct a decent readable piece of transcription, how is the MT going to know what he/she means because they cannot convey what they mean with decent English skills. I think this inability to do this endangers patient care. I also think if the MT cannot understand the dictor, can you imagine that the patient can and how frustrating and confusing this could be for the patient? These doctors need to have better English skills. They have to take a test to get a drivers license and they should have to take a test for English skills in order to dictate and converse equally as well with patients.

It's not just ESLs that have slipshod...... - Mom22dogs

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....dictation. I sometimes have more problems understanding non-ESL physicians who are tired or just want to get their dictating over with and don't give a second thought to whether or not they can be understood!

there is a difference between slip shod English - and having an accent

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I'd rather have someone intelligent with an accent than one little American NP who has no idea what she is saying, or an American MD with ADD who can't stay on task. The biggest jeopardy I have ever seen in patient care comes at the hands of medical assistants who enter incorrect data into the EMR and then pass that on to MDs who lack the critical thinking skills required to sort it out.

We could be training our own citizens in the health professions. - Or are you not aware -

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- that we turn down hundreds of perfectly well-qualified applicants to medical school every year?

Once again, where and how? There aren't enough medical schools or teachers. - sm

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I don't disagree that there should be more spots for eligible candidates, but getting up new schools and finding the teachers is not an easy or inexpensive task. Getting some more schools going is part of the ACA, I think, but it's still probably only going to be a tiny drop in the bucket for what's really needed, so there's no way that international medical graduates are going to be doing anything but becoming a larger percentage of U.S. doctors in the near future.
Just like there aren't enough MTs? - whatever
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Not exactly an apt analogy, since buildings aren't needed to train MTs. - Regardless of that...
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Even once/if sufficient schools are up and running, the next major sticking point is there not being enough residency slots.


 


.... The AAMC said the [18] new medical schools will help address a physician shortage that is projected to rise to more than 90,000 by 2020 “with 32 million newly insured Americans entering the health care system,” AAMC president and chief executive Dr. Darrell Kirch said in a statement following the U.S. Supreme Court’s decision to uphold the Affordable Care Act.


“Medical schools have done their part, increasing enrollments during the last six years in response to these shortage projections,” Kirch said. “But the overall supply of U.S. physicians cannot expand unless Congress increases the number of federally funded residency training positions, a number that has been frozen since 1997.”


For now, there are an adequate number of residency slots at U.S. teaching hospitals to meet the coming influx of medical school graduates.


But the AAMC worries that the funding may soon not be there to support residency programs for this larger number of medical school graduates in the next two to three years. The Balanced Budget Act of 1997 capped the number of available slots for residents coming out of medical school as part of the law’s reduction in spending on Medicare, which largely funds residency programs.


“There are real concerns among educators about the adequacy of residency slots,” AAMC’s Grover said. “Are we going to have enough slots? We feel we have done our part and now Medicare needs to do its part.”

Consider also - anon
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There are also a lot of bright students who are not going into the medical field because of the exorbitant cost of becoming a doctor.

Factor in undergrad loans, med school loans, malpractice insurance, other various costs, and then consider reduced insurance payments and patients who never pay their bills, becoming a doctor might not make a lot of economic sense for some people compared to entering a different field of study.

exactly - plus...
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American MDs seem to think they are entitled to whopper salaries. Someone from another country may be quite happy to earn under 100,000; quite less likely that an American MD would put up with that.

you posted this TWICE? - sm

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que pasa?


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