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Will it be a big disadvantage not to have ICD-9 background - for coders training now? sm

Posted: Apr 14, 2011

Also, which training/certification takes longer, the CCS or the CPC? Thanks1

It will be a big advantage to know both, when ICD-10 actually does come in - See message

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When ICD-10 actually does start, people who know both are going to be ahead. Everything you learn in ICD-9-CM helps with ICD-10 anyway, so there is no disadvantage to knowing both and plenty of reasons to be able to do both.

Were you really asking about ICD-10??? - Coder

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Was your question really asking if it would be a disadvantage not to have a background in ICD-10? TEN? Not NINE?

We use ICD-9 now. If you only learned ICD-10, you would be unable to work until October of 2013. What would the point of that be???? Even then, you would be unable to code anything that occurred prior to October of 2013, because that would need to be coded in ICD-9.

In any event, the question is moot because, to my knowledge, there are NO -- not one -- programs teaching NEW coders JUST ICD-10. If you are not already a coder, there are no training programs available that would teach you to code ONLY using ICD-10.

If you have seen ICD-10 training advertised, it is intended for people who are already coders. Those are upgrade courses. They do not teach you coding from the ground up. They assume that you already know ICD-9 and just need to learn the similarities and differences with ICD-10, after which you will be able to use it.

The question should be whether students learning coding NOW would be at a disadvantage if their program did not include ICD-10. The answer is NO, not yet. You should be learning ICD-9 now, and then in 2012 you can take a little upgrade course for what you need to know about ICD-10. Programs are currently planning this. Some have already upgraded their coverage of A&P and pathophysiology and other things to include what you will need for ICD-10, but if they cover ICD-10 itself it is only in passing or as a general overview, which you will probably forget since you will not be using it and you will be overwhelmed with what you DO need to learn for right now.

You might wonder if you will need to know BOTH code systems. Yes, you will not be able to get out of that. Anything that occurs after September 30, 2013, will be coded using ICD-10, but you will still need to know ICD-9 because you will still be coding things that occurred prior to that. We don't code everything instantly, you know. Sometimes we have to wait for documentation. We also have to resubmit claims that were rejected. You will also need to be able to work with data that has been coded in ICD-9.

If you fear the extra work of having to learn two code sets, that is because you don't understand what is involved in coding, in learning to code, and what the difference is between the two code sets. You aren't going to be learning THE CODES, but to USE the code set to find what you need. You use both of them pretty much the same. Most of what you learn for ICD-9 will be transferrable to ICD-10, so you should not really worry about ICD-10 right now. You should only worry about finding a school that will teach you to code properly and thoroughly.

I'm just starting researching and misunderstood; I thought - ICD-9 was kaput much sooner. sm

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I understand much better now how it's all working and what kind of training to get. Thank you for your great post.

ICD-10 - Curious coder

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I remember when 2013 seemed far away, it is getting closer all the time. Some facilities (including the one I work for) are already starting to implement some software changes to prepare for ICD-10 as the data base will be different. I don't know when training will begin for the coders. You will still need to know how to code so learning ICD-9 is a good thing, in my opinion. As the other person said, ICD-9 will still be in use for a while. Coding will still be coding, just using a different code set.

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