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Canaries in the mine - I loved this post


Posted: Nov 07, 2014

This discussion actually began on October 3, 2014. To search for it, use the little blue search function and type in You missed something and the date 2014-10-04. I think it bears repeating again for all who might insist that people griping" here about Nuance are just conspiracy theorists. I prefer to think of them as canaries in the mine, warning folks away from Nuance. It is NOT just Nuance, as someone pointed out, but they are the most insidious it seems, about monitoring this board and discouraging truth-telling. 

Starting at the top of the discussion on October 3rd will provide good context for this snippet that ensued:

You missed something - sm

Posted: Oct 4th, 2014 - 11:12 am In Reply to: Transcription - cherylsue

You are correct that point and click isn't a substitute, but you must have missed "front-end speech recognition" technology. That allows a doctor to dictate straight to the computer he is using, which presents him with the transcript as he says it. He can use canned text or "normals'" and the system can import labs, imaging, pieces of other reports, vital signs, ROS, etc. 

The generation of computer-averse doctors is nearly gone. The younger ones grew up with technology and don't have a problem with it. They do not see keyboarding as "clerical work." To them, it is just interacting with a computer. They grew up emailing, instant messaging, writing school notes and papers, using spreadsheets, keeping databases, and programming software on computers. Their own phones have SR technology to do emails and IMs, and they use it.

Because of that, they do not see getting a short report done by typing it themselves as a problem. They do not see getting a longer one done by front-end SR as a problem. They do not see creating their own point and click templates or canned text normals as a problem. 

In comparison, they now find dictating to an MT to be a huge annoyance. They never liked the random quality, the lost reports, the lack of control, the need to read for errors, sending it back for corrections, or the delay. 

MTs go on and on about how critical they are to patient care, but never seemed to see their delays to be a problem. Why not? When a doctor does a report, he does it for patient care right then, not days later. When they dictate an op report that will not be returned by the time the patient leaves the OR area, he has to do a brief op report by hand, himself, anyway. Same with admission and discharge notes and any consult information they need to communicate right away. Same with diagnostic tests. It is no longer acceptable to them to endure the extra work due to dictation service delays when they can just do it themselves.

They do not see this as clerical work. Their view of computers is quite different. 

Most MTs did not grow up with computer technology. They use computers as word processors and see them as primarily word processors that can incidentally do email and internet. 

Doctors who grew up with computers see them as information connection devices that facilitate communication, research, calculation, data storage, and entertainment, which you communicate with through input devices like keyboards, mice, pointers, touch, and speech. They see them as devices they use, not as devices that others use for them. They don't see using them as clerical work. 

 

 

 P.S. I personally thank whoever originally posted this from the bottom of my heart, as this was just the wake-up call I needed to get me the heck out of dodge. 

SORRY, but if the doctors are seeing the crappy.. - me

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results that comes out of speech recognition, i.e, doctor: "The patient complains of sleepiness." SR: "The patient complains of flee penis," I am sure the physicians are not really excited about SR and the results of same. It must be really frustrating to them to have to re-dictate and repeat themselves.

SR will NEVER, EVER replace a REAL PERSON because SR cannot think. Period. It prints what it hears, no matter the nonsense. If SR ever begins to THINK....look out...all those science fiction movies will come true !!

In the meantime, Companies will try, quite successfully, to convince everyone, including doctors and hospitals, that SR is SO GREAT, meanwhile screwing us MT SR Editors, who fix all these nonsense errors, out of any kind of decent pay.

also - MTanon

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Also, for the ESLs, that VR can't even begin to work with, or the speed dictators, or mumblers, or cell phone users, etc, they are not going to sit there and do what they have always done and have to "learn" how to make a better report. And IMHO, there are MANY health care providers who do NOT care about patient quality care because of their constant, every day mistakes. And obviously neither do the hospitals because with QC being supposedly on top of things, all the reports I constantly send do to discrepancies nothing ever improves, like they do not even care! No excuses we are told. How about practicing what they preach! Do you see the set up that Nuance has for their employees for the health care providers by QC at the hospitals? HA

SR works brilliantly. The docs correct their own SR at their desks and the SR - learns. And yes, it will replace most of you.

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I am sorry to tell you this, but you are dead wrong. In the offices, the docs do their own MT now with SR and they correct it themselves. They don't care about grammar. In the hospitals, they don't want MTs as employees. They don't want to even think about this small detail because in the big picture of what happens in hospitals, the transcription is the very bottom rung of importance. Don't think it won't get done. It will. Because so many of you have the criteria of needing to work from home, it commands zero respect and now, almost zero money, and everyone in hospital admin and on the physician staff roster knows that if 10 of you say you won't do this for $7 an hour, there are 20 more slobs in the their pajamas working from home absolutely will. This has all the importance of working at Jack-in-the-Box now.

slobs in pajamas??? - anon - evidently a SLOB

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I find your post sickening. I don't know who you are but so many people like you just love to get on here and stir up trouble. You must have a pathetic life to sit there and call us that work from home SLOBS! I feel sorry for you! What type of work do you do my dear? What a joke you are to be so ugly to those of us who CHOOSE to work at home since this is what we love to do. I love this job, went into the field not to work at home and be a SLOB but to actually have a profession that I enjoyed. I consider myself a very good transcriptionist and take great offense at you. SHAME ON YOU!
I AGREE! Very insulting post. - See msg
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That took a lot of nerve to sit there and degrade someone like that. How do you know we are working in our pajamas? Are you a fly on the wall? And that was totally uncalled for to call someone a "slob." You have no idea who the people are sitting on the other side of these computer monitors.

I have a darn good education and I'm qualified to do more than just medical transcription and have done other jobs within the health care field, but choose to work as an MT currently, because that's what works for me right now. I probably have more intelligence and education than you do. So you have a lot of nerve placing judgment on people you don't even know and calling them insulting names like slobs.

The only conclusion I can draw is that you must be pretty miserable, as the old saying goes, "misery loves company." People who insult others do so because they are unhappy with themselves.

Ah, I have SR on my PHONE and it works - just fine.

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We also have front-end SR at work. I know how it works. It is not the garbage-producer that you are familiar with.

That's what you aren't getting ... it is NOT the same.

One big difference is that it is trained to the doctor. It learns him and he learns it. He ends up with a complete report on the spot rather than swiss cheese blanks days later.

Maybe your personal work is perfect, but most of what they get back is not. They have to fix it themselves anyway.

SR can never replace a real person, but it does not need to. It just needs to transcribe pretty well, which it does.

Folks, you are completely missing what Nuance has been doing right under your noses. See the link for a clue. That is the largest healthcare system in the country and look what they are buying. Not hospital by hospital, but the whole enterprise. All of 'em at once.

MTs have been delusional about their value to the healthcare - food chain for YEARS. see message

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I don't do any MT anymore but I did for 20-something years. I just recently got completely out. Now, I work in a hospital department that is in direct contact with a lot of the physicians always. You don't even understand how inconsequential the transcription part of patient care is to the doctors. They are all scrambling to replace every single one of you with something that has a 4-hour turnaround and is more or less correct. They don't give a hoot about all your company's grammar tizzy fits. When they do SR in their office, it is filled with grammatical errors. They don't care. Grammar does not affect patient care. Wanting a job you can do from home does not command respect from professionals. I don't understand why so many MTS never got that. And here is the thing. I know this from experience. Watch and see how hard it is to get a different $25/hour job (what I used to make with MT) when your whole resume screams MT. No one thinks you know how to do anything!! There is no respect whatsoever associated with MTs. None. In order for me to get out, I had to get a college degree. That was the ONLY thing that countered that 25 years of MT and made it look like I actually know something. Yet I rely on what I learned in MT every day in my present job - which incidentally is a $25/hour job in a medium-size hospital. You realize that most of you make less than $15 an hour now and put up with a mind-blowing amount of BS for it. A cottage industry of management has sprung up with the fake job of managing transcriptionist's grammar, all the while the physicians don't even come close to caring about it.

Every word in your post is true. - Same experience, myself.

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Same thing here. Got out and had to get a second degree to cover up the stigma of MT. Now I work in a large healthcare system which is rolling out SR right and left. Nobody cares about the grammar or the spelling. In large part, they don't care because most of what MTs produce is loaded with errors and is late.

And, yes, the image of MTs that most people have is of chain-smoking, alcoholic, ill-tempered slobs in pajamas. They think that is why they "have to" work at home to begin with. [Please note that is not my view. It is the view most people have, so don't blame me.]

That mental image and the reputation for doing rotten, late work is what stigmatizes MTs who try to get jobs outside MT.


RE: Same experience myself - SM

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So since you too were once an MT, is that how you describe yourself..as "a chain-smoking, alcoholic, ill-tempered slob in pajamas."

Is that why you worked from home? Was your work full of errors?
Where did it say it was HER view? Post said - most people, not her.
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NM
Regardless who's point of view, just goes to show how - off people can be when stereotyping.
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and what poll did you see where "most" people, not you, of course - revealed this is their view of MTs

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I'd like to see those results myself.

Not all of us wanted - to work at home

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I don't know what the percentage is, but most MTs I know (myself included) worked for many years within the hospital, and with the advent of the Internet were literally "sent home" to work, yet still remained employees of the hospital even then. Our industry may no longer command the respect it once did, but to imply it's because MTs "wanted a job we could do at home" is a very simplistic explanation to a much more complex phenomenon.

Same here - see msg

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I worked for the same hospital 13 years, the first 4 years on-site and the last 9 years from home. In the beginning only a couple people in our department worked from home; but by the time we were outsourced, all of us worked remotely with the exception of the transcription facilitator.

Ultimately it was not by choice, but rather cost-effective for the hospital.

As far as being a slob goes, I still get dressed on a daily basis. Very seldom do I work in my pajamas, as I have an active lifestyle outside of this job with lots of family and friends. I have never been much for drinking and quit smoking 15 years ago. I'm very conscientious about my health and taking myself. The same goes for my living conditions, I like things neat and orderly. I'm not perfect, but I'm by no means a slob.


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