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Who owns your "work" computer? - TechSupport


Posted: Dec 30, 2009

Unfortunately, this forum software doesn't seem to provide the ability to post a poll and I'm afraid that if I link to an offsite poll it would be deleted. 

To make it easier, you can just respond "Me", "Employer" or "Both" (if you transcribe on an employer's system and also on your own computer - for instance, if you work for more than one employer)  with no message unless an explanation is needed.  For the purposes of this poll, please consider your "work source" (MTSO, clinic, etc.) to be your employer even if you're technically an IC.

I know this isn't a "scientific poll", but the information will be very helpful.  I'm going to be asking two more questions over the next couple of days related to this same issue.

Thanks!

Me.............nm - Happy MT Robin

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Me too... - NocturnalHooter

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me - nm

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employer. Are you a student doing interviews? - n/m

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Please see "My CV" post below...nm - TechSupport

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Who are you, please? What will the data be used for? - MissIndigo

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I would be interested to know this also - ty Miss Indigo

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My CV - TechSupport

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I'm a computer and security professional with many years in the field of medical transcription, ranging from transcription to management positions and various aspects of transcription, computer and network technologies. I hold a degree in security management with additional training in computer forensics, "ethical" hacking and information systems auditing.

I'm writing an article about the relatively increased level of risk to PHI that is being pushed out to the MT's home when the MT has to provide her own computer, as opposed to the much lower level of risk to PHI that can be effectuated when the MTSO owns and controls the computer.

Just to take one example: When the company provides the computer, it can be configured in such a way that no other software can be installed on it, no "removable" storage devices can be attached to it, etc. In fact, it can even be configured without a hard drive (it boots off the network and then the MT works in a remote application). The MT would not be given an administrator account and would not be able to change this configuration.

Are there workarounds for these security provisions? Yes there are, and hence the need for the systems to be monitored once they're in the field to detect any changes in the configuration, and here again ownership is critical. The company's rights are very limited in terms of monitoring your personal computer, even if it's used for work, because you have privacy rights that can't be extinguished. On the other hand, the company has very broad latitude when it comes to monitoring systems that the company owns.

I know that many MTSO's either have never provided computers or have stopped doing so, and I also know that the reason is strictly one of saving the cost of ownership (or, more accurately, shifting the cost of ownership to the MT, because someone pays the cost). In my view, and especially in light of the new security liabilities imposed by HITECH on MTSOs, this practice is no longer acceptable. A system that is used to perform transcription should not be one that is also used for personal purposes, and at the same time MTs are not going to allow the company to "lock down" their personal computers in such a way that they're useless for their educational, recreational, communications and other private computer activities, nor will they allow the company to invade their private space to monitor their systems.

This is the basic thrust of the article that I'm writing.

I hope that answers your questions satisfactorily.

When I said Both above, I guess I should have also stated - Backwards Typist

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that I have 2 computers. One is strictly for my work. I don't do anything else with it. As soon as I am done working, it is shut down.

The other one is strictly for personal stuff, like being on MTStars and other personal stuff. This is the way I have always done it over the past 15 years.
Backwards, Canadian traveler here and I thought - L
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you probably just had 3 jobs, that is what I took from your post.
Not any more. Semi-retired now. - Backwards Typist
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Used to work for a hospital in house and later at home as an IC (total 9 years), plus an ENT service, a Podiatrist, and an attorney for 19 years.

Attorney hopefully retiring, quit the hospital because I got tired of paying taxes on my own, quit ENT after 5 years because it took too much time and expense; i.e., pick up/drop off, printing reports and letters (which took over 1 hour a day).

I still have my Pod whom I love, 15 years with him (no pickup and delivery, and FT employee at a national. Finally have time for myself.
Good for you, I do part also now and - L
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really enjoy, plus the fact I love to travel and travel and then get a little bit of work in between traveling. Hope things have picked up around your neck of the woods.

Increased versus lower level of risk? Come on - ORMT

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Patient information is going into MT homes all over the world including social security numbers (where anyone in that home has access to that information), so really there is no security in PHI regardless of who "owns" or "controls" the computer. MT jobs are never going to go back to being done strictly in-house, so the question of who owns or controls the computer is a mute point. JMHO.
I'm sorry, but you're mistaken. - TechSupport
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There is a great deal that can be done to protect PHI that's being distributed remotely, and to monitor remote systems, both with respect to external security attacks and employee misuse of the system that might expose PHI to greater risk.

Which of these measures is available to the employer is dependent in VERY large part on who owns the system, both from a legal standpoint and on a practical level.
I am sorry, but there is absolutely no way - ORMT
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you can control who is looking over a shoulder or what may be written on a piece of paper as far as sensitive patient information unless there is a camera attached to each PC and someone monitoring each person on the other end 24/7 (not cost effective). Again, the most secure you are going to get is to have the MTs return to in-house positions and stop offshoring American health records. There are a lot of identity thieves who are not computer hackers, but people who buy information from the people who have access to it. Not every MT is honest. You may be able to control to some extent what the computer does or does not permit, but the only way you can be sure sensitive PHI does not get into the wrong hands is to not have this available to the MTs, which of course is nonsense because then we would not be able to catch dictator mistakes such as dictating on the wrong patient, which happens frequently, etc. Convince me how a company owned and controlled PC can protect me from the most common form of identity theft, people buying information readily available to someone who is willing to sell it, it happens every day, it has happened to me (not by a hacker, but by someone who had legitimate access to my information and sold it).
Perhaps I wasn't clear. - TechSupport
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If you understood me to be implying that I am talking about achieving "100% guaranteed security", let me explain that there is no such thing and that's not what I'm suggesting.

There is, however, one way to assure that remote PHI absolutely is never, and can never, be compromised and that is not to provide it to the remote system in the first place. However, this would require certain capabilities on the MTSO side that most don't have. You would have to redact the PHI, replace it with a "key" identifier (John Smith with MR# 1054392 becomes a code such as Z47MS628 - which is all the remote system or the remote MT ever sees) and then reidentify the document when it comes back to the MTSO. I believe that MedQuist is doing this and it's the strongest security measure that I can think of. Naturally, MedQuist still has risks on their side that they must deal with (e.g., an employee in the office misusing PHI), but that would be the case anyway. I applaud MQ for doing this.)

Also, there are many other elements in the security posture of the organization other than computer security that I'm not talking about here, either. Some of these include policies; others include procedures - for instance, better background checking than many MTSO's do now.

While there isn't 100% guaranteed security of any remote system when it comes to any security risk (not just PHI), there is a continuum from "no security" to "very high security", and you cannot achieve "very high security" on systems that employees own.
Thank you - ORMT
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The person who sold my information did not have any past criminal history. At MQ, on every report on the demographics is the patient's social security number, which MTs have no reason to see, and I can see that this could easily be fixed with tweaking of the system if they would do it. I would feel more comfortable if they would have this information coded. I agree with you that more security needs to happen, just don't think anything will be enough...but then I may be a little cynical because of my experience.
If MQ is doing that, it's news to me. - MQer
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The demographics on every report I transcribe have the patient's SSN, DOB, etc.

Me, employee status. - nm

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BOTH - Backwards Typist

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PC is my MTSO's because my Vista is not compatible with VoiceScribe! - NIce of them to tell me before I bought it....nm

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Both - buffy

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I work for a hospital that provides a desktop computer (so I have to stay at home to do my work and cannot take it with me) and for an MTSO where I provide my own laptop and can do my work from anywhere there is a high speed Internet connection.

Using laptop at Wi-Fi hotspots... - TechSupport

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This is one of the security issues that I intend to raise with regard to personal laptops, because the risks of connecting through a Wi-Fi access point are even greater and it really takes draconian measures to deal with them. It's perfectly understandable that the MTSO might wish to give people the freedom to work while traveling, etc., but only on laptops with special security measures in place. The risks are much greater and range from "shoulder surfing" (people simply reading the screen) to the outright theft of the computer, as well as what are called "man-in-the-middle" and other attacks that hotspots are often inadequately defended against.

I strongly encourage you to encrypt the hard drive on your laptop using a product such as TrueCrypt so that if it's stolen the information that Windows leaves scattered around in unsuspected places can't be read. If you've read stories about government laptops being stolen, you might have noticed that the most scandalous aspect about the thefts was not that they were stolen, but that they weren't encrypted.
A bit more on TrueCrypt - TechSupport
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TrueCrypt is free, fast, and once it's set up it's transparent to the user (meaning that you don't have to do anything special to encrypt or decrypt files, run programs, etc.).

It also has some very interesting and sophisticated added features that I would deploy on a company laptop if I were setting it up for a remote MT. However, the "normal" features are probably enough.

My computer forensics instructor was a former federal agent who told the class that TrueCrypt is so good that the government really hates it when the bad guys use it on their computers because it takes them forever to crack into it even with their sophisticated capabilities - which few if any laptop thieves would have. Ya gotta love anything that's good enough to give the feds fits.

Both. I use mine for 2 companies and theirs for 1 company. - nm

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for the purpose of this poll - why are you asking and what it this for? NM - notlisteningtillvalidated

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Please see "My CV" above. nm - TechSupport

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Me - nm

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BOTH - NM

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Me....................nm - poll

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I'll answer. What's the big deal - anyway? sm

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I own my work computer. How hard is that?


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