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Went to my MD today and they have no MTSO or MTs? - lka


Posted: Dec 18, 2010

It seems whenever I go to the doctor we get to talking about my profession, mainly because I am speak to them on their level (with medical terms, etc) because they are amazed that I am so informed.

Anyhow, today when the RN was checking me in on their Epic system, she said they use strictly voice recognition (VR) and use "Dragon" (which I know nothing about) but I have seen posts on this board about it.  I told her that I was an MT editor actually for the VR, not so much transcribing anymore.  She was saying that there are so many errors on the reports, (even after they and supposedly the MD corrects as they are speaking).  I asked who did their QA or MTSO and she said no one... it's just them.  Why then, are we being QA'd to death and have such strict guidelines by our MTSO when they have blatant errors on their legal documents?   The reason they don't have QA or MTSO is because of the cost...  This is a HUGE health care system in the state of which I live.  Does this seem unusual to you?  I guess I assumed that all of these health care systems had this.  Am I missing something?  In other words, if all these big hospitals and health care systems started just relying on themselves, would we not all be out of jobs along with the MTSOs?  Interested in your thoughts on this. 

I work for a doctor's office and we are IC to do transcription but - orthogirl

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they have no QA, for that matter, they do not even have a decent supervisor! We type directly into their EMR system, so we have the entire chart to look at for reference. There is one transcription for the spine surgeon who constantly types there are early signs of effusion in the lumbar spine. It is impossible to have an effusion in the lumbar spine and the doctor is saying fusion. The doctor is seeing the patient postop after doing lumbar fusion and yet she can not get the x-rays correct. Another big repeat mistake she makes is typing H&P instead of HNP. I am constantly emailing the supervisor telling her about these mistakes so she can make corrections, but it seems like nothing is done so that the transcriptionist will stop making these blatant errors over and over. It really pisses me off, as I get paid the same as her and produce extremely high quality work and she produces crap! She is not the only one who makes mistakes, there are others that I come across all the time. The one thing I always double check if I do not know who to spell is a doctor's name. I was brought up being told that if you did not address someone correctly by their title, such as Dr. and if you misspelled their name it is very disrespectful. I just wish QA was something that was required no matter how small or big your office is!

But have you ever noticed... - MTlady

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that many times the MD's do not seem to have read the notes anyway? I think they surmise what they need to know mostly from the lab work, other diagnostic tests and their memory of that patient. I'm not saying that's the best way, but in reality there is no way the docs take time to read the tons of notes. Maybe the voice recognition makes mistakes, but they probably read between the lines and pretty much know what is meant. Hey, if they are doctors or other health professionals and are aware they are dealing with voice recognition, they would be smart enough to know the flaws. I'm stepping on my own toes because I'm an MT too, but it is what it is. I agree with the two posters above though, it makes the MT services QA policy look pretty silly and over-dramatic. Especially when you consider that the dictation coming from the doctor is usually not 100% accurate anyway!

Since this is specialty, the main purpose - would be that they

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have an obligation to send the referring physician a note regarding the visit. You can bet the PCP is going to read the note at some point. The doctor I use to work for read most of the notes that came in on his patients as he had sent them there for a reason. It just makes the office incompetent. Just think when the referring gets a note with a diagnosis of H&P versus HNP. How do you think they feel about sending their patient to that spine surgeon? I can't see offices like that getting QA. That is very pricy. It sounds like there are some major issues with the supervision of the office if that type of thing is being allowed.

The doctor I work for has actually stopped sending patients to certain physicians that were not getting him notes back, and he probably would have done the same if there were major errors.

Remember the referrings don't know if the other doctor has VR, Dragon or if they messed up when dictating, hince why we have to be so accurate.
Agree that that office is outrageously sloppy. I've - anon
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never done medical office, but I do know my own PCP would not tolerate that.

Dr just wants a piece of paper for file. Until they start - getting hit where it hurts, in SM

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the wallet, they will accept garbage because that is all they want to pay for. Need some lawsuits to bring the quality the accept to light, then maybe they will be willing to pay for our expertise.

MTSO/MTs - Not a novel

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I was talking to a friend of mine who also is an MT and we both worked for Spheris and then I went with MQ. She said, we are just documenting, not writing the world's greatest novel. Again, QA is just a control tool and something to justify an unnecessary action. I can understand if you make an error, but whether you put six or 6, c'mon!

Yes,and it's not being published in JAMA, but how about - those outrageously irresponsible MTs

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who don't do paragraph breaks?

Yesterday I was in the chart of a young woman with several complex conditions that were trying to kill her. The MT who did the H&P produced a one-paragraph history that stretched over half a page, obviously not caring if busy readers missed important information as a result. Buried in that complex history were one-sentence statements on a medication failure and yet another medical problem I didn't find mentioned anywhere else on the computer.

I'd fire that person on the spot if I could, no matter how well she or he managed the punctuation.

How about companies that don't WANT you to make changes? - Backwards Typist

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Some MTSOs do not want paragraphs changed unless the doctor specifically dictates "paragraph."

If you want to blame anyone, blame the MTSOs or even the hospitals who make the VR rules, or the QA who may change it from paragraphs into one.

Evidently you do not know the guidelines most MTSOs and hospitals use for VR. Don't change words, don't change paragraph style, don't add 'this,' don't add 'that', etc. They want correct spelling and that's it! Doesn't matter if a sentence doesn't make sense.

There are specific rules for straight transcription but not for VR. You're dinged if you do and dinged if you don't. Can't win.

VR is the downfall of all MTSOs and those MTSOs and hospital that want to use it should still want quality work as before, but they don't.

To backwards typist - lka
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I am the original poster and I wanted to say I always enjoy reading your posts first of all and even political, LOL.

My question though is, this particular MD that I saw is under the umbrella of HealthPartners (which consists of every specialty and maybe 200 physicians give or take). So, the doc and the RN and whomever all enter this info into their Epic system and that's it.... No MT or MTSO sees it because they do NOT want to pay for that service. I am assuming there are tons of mistakes, such as he/she, him/hers, not to mention so many medications that are sound-a-likes. I guess I am wondering how do these MTSOs that we work for (at least I do), solicit new clients? Would this be a case in point for them to pursue? Ya know what I mean. I guess also, all of these big hospitals that we type for through the MTSO could all says, just go away (to the MTSO) and look at all the money I will save....
I'm not really sure on how they solicit new clients. - Backwards Typist
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I think they point out how quick and cheaply the reports can be done. I also think it's going to be harder for these large companies to get new clients, especially with the new healthcare rules going into effect (EMR) in a year to two unless they knock the MT wages down even more.

Who knows what the future will hold for MTs? If the end-user doesn't care, we're all in a world of trouble. Profit over perfection has become the byword of this profession in the past few years. It's a dog-eat-dog world out there. Sometimes I just want to yell "Stop the world. I want to get off."

Backwards, none of the hospitals I work for have - the guidelines you claim most do. SM
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Also, specifically, our MTSO asks us to break text into paragraphs, but they don't push it because too many MTs don't follow the meaning and do it wrong.

BTW, inexcusable sloppiness is anything that could result in wrongful suffering and even death, and claiming to be following a rule is no excuse. An MT is either trying to do right by the patient or is a slug.


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