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just an outside observation - really?
Posted: Oct 16, 2011
I have seen a couple of posts recently about people getting fired. While I am just baffled about them getting fired in the first place, it makes me really wonder when they say "but I put in extra hours, worked extra hard, had perfect work
Laid off vs. fired - anon
[ In Reply To ..]I think some people use fired and laid off interchangeably.
fired versus laid off - Anne
[ In Reply To ..]Yeah, they do use fired, laid off, terminated, etc. interchangeably; probably because when someone gets "fired" anymore a person really can't be sure if it was actually them or just poor management, especially if the person had worked for the company for a while. If the person was really that bad, why weren't they "fired" long ago -- just saying :-) Besides, if a person doesn't fit the company's agenda, well the company can try to get rid of the person for any reason just so they don't have to pay unemployment. I think that is what it is all about a lot of times anyway -- paying unemployment. If the company pays unemployment, their UE taxes go up.
Laid off--usually from a union position. Fired--let go for cause. At will - employee--can be let go without
[ In Reply To ..]cause. The vast majority of us are hired on an at-will basis and can be let go at any time without explanation. In that case, we normally qualify for unemployment insurance.
As for knowing if you're FIRED. Employers don't have to pay unemployment insurance to people who are fired FOR CAUSE; otherwise people would behave badly in order to get fired. If you didn't know you were fired lready, you'll know when your insurance claim is denied. Companies typically build cases for firing, though, so you probably got notice via e-mails putting you on notice that: work is below standard, you're not working your whole shift, you came back from vacation late without informing the company , displayed a poor attitude, etc., etc., etc. Gathering documentation to justify firing in case you challenge.
People should just drop the term "laid off." These days it almost always applies only to people working under a union contract which requires taking old workers back before hiring new. Lack of work over the summer, laid off but still officially an employee, back to work in September when it picks up again. That sort of thing.
Fired - - makingachange
[ In Reply To ..]I worked for a company for over 13 years. In the past 5 to 6 years, they lost multiple accounts, cut benefits, changed salaried positions to production work, completely dropped the ball on communication among a few. The reason for my termination? I didn't do enough "difficult dictators" and "by the luck of the draw" had too many "easy" ones. Seriously? I didn't get 100% on QA. Wouldn't I have if I had all easy dictators? How can a person who is NOT a MT determine what a difficult dictator is to me? I think they are looking to cut more from their budget. For the past few years, all new hires are paid a specific low line rate. I was grandfathered in on a pay scale. Firing me just saved them anywhere from $300 to $600 per month. Multiple that by firing several more "old timers". Quite a boatload of money saved.
reason to get fired - bj
[ In Reply To ..]Maybe they were looking in records when they did not have to or falsifying their records (hours/pay, etc.). Just a thought....
Maybe they were using their health insurance. Employers - often get tipped off about
[ In Reply To ..]which employees are running up the health insurance premiums. Or maybe they fall into a group felt likely to in future.
gettng fired - Nit
[ In Reply To ..]Getting fired isn't about how well you worked. It is about the employer saving money. Our department, 40-strong- just got canned. They plotted our demise starting 2 years ago. It is all about greed with the hospital and personal greed. We all worked hard and we had a great team, but it didn't matter. We got the ax anyway.
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