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Idiots Doing QA - MTTooLong
Posted: Apr 08, 2011
How I am supposed to respect an institution whose QAer:
* Doesn't know that the correct plural of addenum is addenda, not "addendums"
* Thinks that "PICC line" is correct, when it is in fact redundant since the final C in PICC stands for catheter.
I could go on and on, but you get the drift. The person doing the QA on MTs frequently doesn't even have the knowledge to be in that position and flags things "incorrect" when in fact they are CORRECT; they are just too ignorant to know it.
Addendums is acceptable in many dictionaries - including Merriam Webster. sm
[ In Reply To ..]PICC line is so widely accepted that it would definitely look out of place if you spell it PIC.
Widely accepted is NOT CORRECT - MTTooLong
[ In Reply To ..]Webster's adds all kinds of CRAP to the dictionary based upon "COMMON USAGE." COMMON USAGE is frequently INCORRECT. Examples include "anyways" (not a word) and incorrect phrases like "I could care less" (which means that you CARE).
Addendum ls LATIN NEUTER SINGULAR. Its plural is created by changing the -um ending to an -a.
PIC line only looks "out of place" to the ignorant who don't know any better.
Widely accepted can BECOME correct - LK
[ In Reply To ..]If you were as educated as you claim to be, you would know that the English language is constantly evolving, and there is no "black and white" where language usage is concerned. Correct English 100 years ago was quite different from what it is now, and it will be just as different 100 years from now.
Evolving versus Devolving - KnowTheDifference
[ In Reply To ..]Nobody ever said that English doesn't evolve. Erect strawmen much?
Webster's has been taken to task by MANY professional etymologists for their inclusion of GARBAGE in their dictionary, rendering those entries "legitimate" by the clueless masses. That still doesn't make them CORRECT.
My former statements still stand, as they are 100% correct. You, OTOH, are not.
Wow, you are right and nobody else is! - MT2
[ In Reply To ..]You are 100% correct, in the world according to you. You must be load of fun to work with.
Lone Voice of Reason - CollegeEducated
[ In Reply To ..]Yes, it's not the first -- nor the last -- time there was a lone voice of reason in the midst of an ignorant mob.
You better sit down and take a deep breath - sm
[ In Reply To ..]Or maybe you haven't heard yet. You better sit down...Oxford just recently added OMG and LOL to the dictionary.
Language is a living thing and constantly evolving. It changes over time. New words are added and old words can evolve into new entirely ones.
Language does not remain stagnant and it's not good for a person to remain stagnant either. Sometimes you just have to accept that new things develop and become accepted.
PICC line and addendums are both widely used and widely accepted. Go with the flow and don't become stuck in your old ways of thinking to exclusion of all else.
MTTooLong - GJ
[ In Reply To ..]I agree with you. I am an amateur Latinist as a hobby. ADDENDA is correct. What a shame that such a beautiful language is so frequently mangled.
your post re QA - nn
[ In Reply To ..]Try "Peripherally Inserted Central Catheter" so yes, your QA person is correct.
Reread my post above. - MTTooLong
[ In Reply To ..]Obviously you misread my post.
The final C in PICC stands for "catheter," so no "line" after it is necessary. PICC LINE is redundant!!!
Disagree. PICC catheter is redundant sm - anon
[ In Reply To ..]PICC CATHETER = peripherally inserted central catheter cathter. That is reducntant. I believe the line in PICC translates into 'feed' in this case.
besides - every medical dictionary I have, and I have many, shows PICC it as PICC line.
PICC line - mt1347
[ In Reply To ..]Many doctors will spell this out now, I have noticed - PICC - because they do not want it as PIC line. They think we are idiots when we leave off 's on the syndromes, etc. - they don't know someone with too much time on their hands at AHIMA decides every year to change the English language to suit their own needs. I follow the guidelines of my employer/contractor, but find most of it ridiculous. For decades, we used p.o. and q.i.d. and no one was every killed - suddenly, they are dangerous abbreviations. It's because the people working in the hospitals have gotten stupid and lazy and half of them don't have English language skills. No one talks about the 500 pound elephant in the room - a lot of what is wrong with health care in this country is due to all the foreigners with poor English language skills working as doctors, nurses, and allied health. I have been doing this job since the mid 1970s and I have seen a huge fall in the quality of dictation and in the doctors' attitudes towards it.
I type PICC line all the time - MT
[ In Reply To ..]PICC is so common that it's almost a word in and of itself, or at least is understood by a reader that way. I also do things like type "LEEP procedure" when my docs dictate it.
Sometimes it's not always advisable to be so adamant on being technically correct. PICC line is much more easily recognized and understood that PIC line would be.
My rule of thumb is: When in doubt, type exactly what the dictator has said. I've been doing it this way for years and never had any QA problems about it yet.
Depends on whom you ask... - MTTooLong
[ In Reply To ..]Your post just underscores the rampant ignorance in this country.
In my 22 years as an MT, I have met *TWO* MTs besides myself -- one of whom was incredibly credentialed and had about 30 years of experience -- who were aware of these commonly-made errors.
I don't care about what the "masses" say; the "masses" are frequently incorrect.
Since PICC and PIC have identical pronuncations, please explain to us how you know that the dictator means "PICC" instead of "PIC" without him spelling it for you!
Idiots doing QA - Nina
[ In Reply To ..]Perhaps you should check your reference materials (although it sounds like you don't have any). PICC line is correct - in Stedman's and in The Surgical Word Book, just to name a few references. Who's the idiot now????? How many years have you been in this field?
INCORRECT ENTRY in Stedman's - MTTooLong
[ In Reply To ..]So, you think Stedmans' is infallible? They have made MANY mistakes in their books (BTW, I have the complete set). PICC LINE is one of them! I have written them to point out this error.
Stop being such a linear thinker and employ some critical thinking. Would a doc in the OR say, "I inserted a catheter line?" NO!!
INCORRECT ENTRY in Stedman's - Nina
[ In Reply To ..]Well, I guess you'll be spending a lot of wasted time writing to a lot of publishers telling them that they are wrong . . . you have fun with that. Hey, here's an idea, why don't you take a QA position???
Stedman's is correct . . . - SoCal MT
[ In Reply To ..]They show both:
PIC - periperhally inserted catheter
PICC - peripherally inserted central catheter
it is in more than just Steadmans', it is everywhere that way. - anon
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can you plz supply reference materials to support your point? - I am curious to see where it is written.
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This is not going to go the way you think - mt
[ In Reply To ..]For all the reasons already stated. I suspect you were expecting overwhelming support against the evil QA people, but in fact it would seem that you should respect them and perhaps learn from them if you like your job.
Just sayin'
Not interested in the mob's opinion. - MTTooLong
[ In Reply To ..]Right is right, and wrong is wrong.
I couldn't care less what the mob here thinks, who obviously have been committing these errors in their own reports so are defending the practice.
This just underscores what I already knew: Sadly, only a handful of MTs possess critical thinking skills, and I am one of them.
agree - MTWayyyyyTooLong
[ In Reply To ..]I typed radiology for a long time and never typed PICC "catheter" or "line," words which are, of course, redundant. When I did radiology for my favorite MTSO (ha), the CCM generated an e-mail directing people to type PIC. There will, of course, always be people who believe that QAs are in a position of authority so they must be right. That certainly hasn't been my experience.
critical thinking? or concrete thinking? - just asking
[ In Reply To ..]you have to update yourself with languate that is ever updating itself.
QA's - tired MT
[ In Reply To ..]I had been doing med transcription for 20 years and I never knew that addendums was not correct. I guess I had never run across it. I have heard that there are two types of PIC/PICC lines one being a PIC and the other being PICC and having something to do with the type of vein or artery that it is placed in. I remember getting wrote up for that. But since retiring I can't remember the details.
Addendum= Latin singular neuter - MTTooLong
[ In Reply To ..]Hello fellow "old timer," (compliment)
Thanks for your input. It's the most rational post in this thread besides mine.
I took 3 semesters of Latin in college and made A's in it. Addendum is Latin singular neuter, and its plural is created by changing the -um ending to an -a. 99.9% of managers and even many physicians don't know that little fact. I do. Contrary to popular myth here, that doesn't make me "wrong." It makes me informed. Just because Webster's legitimized "addendums" by inclusion in their dictionary does not make it CORRECT. Ebonics and all kinds of slang and other INCORRECT utterances are also included in Webster's, and that doesn't make them CORRECT either. It just means that they're widely used.
Have a good day!
Stop calling everyone ignorant and idiots - see message
[ In Reply To ..]You are wrong about the PICC line. PICC line is correct. Why don't you tell all the doctors, nurses, publishers like Stedman's and other reference books and all MTs throughout the country that they are all wrong and you are correct.
No we don't use PIC line. PICC line has been widely used and always will be and sorry to burst your bubble but it IS correct. I watched a nurse once insert one and she said the catheter when inserted into the arm is called a line. Hence peripherally inserted central catheter line is correct.
And so what if she thinks the pleural of addendum is addendums. Lots of people can make that mistake. It does not mean that people are ignorant or idiots. It just means that someone made a mistake. We all make mistakes (well at least we do).
Calling someone ignorant because they don't use PIC line is just wrong on so many levels.
If someone flags something incorrect then just find the correct way to do it and the reference to back it up and send it back.
I respect my QA people because I learn a lot from them. They don't claim to be perfect but they know way more than I do on a lot of things and that is how I grow and learn in my position -by listening to my QA people. They have earned and deserve my respect.
Since everyone in the country including nurses, doctors, and all the people who write our reference books are wrong and you are correct and never make a mistake why don't you become a QA person. Seems like that would solve your problem.
Your idiot QA person - deserves more credit
[ In Reply To ..]Your QA person who you are calling an idiot deserves a little more credit than you are giving them.
Your QA person who "thinks" that PICC line is correct is actually in very good company. A few others who also "think" that PICC line is correct happen to include the NIH, the Mayo Clinic, Mount Sinai, the National Naval Medical Center (aka Bethesda Naval Hospital) to name just a few.
Just Google any of the more prestigious medical facilities, teaching or research facilities. They're all online, most of them also publish online, and you'll see that every single one of them that talks about it, uses the term "PICC line." So it seems that your QA person is in some pretty good company there.
As far as the plural of addendum, the word addendums is the English adaptation of the Latin addenda. Either one is acceptable and like it or not, they are both in the dictionary.
Thanks for your reply - see message
[ In Reply To ..]I just posted above you. I was looking for Addendum to see what was correct but couldn't find anything. Good to know both are acceptable. I don't know what the OPs problem was and why he/she (sounds like a she - that PMS thing we have :-)) was having a really bad day. But when they start calling everyone idiots and ignorant (which happens to include all the doctors and nurses I've worked with and all the people/clinics, etc you listed) it gets a little wild. Maybe she was just having a really bad day and I can see posting to let off steam, but then shooting back messages that everyone who doesn't see it her way is an idiot and ignorant was just a little too much.
QA - 15 +/- more or less
[ In Reply To ..]Get off your blood soap box. Who the bleep made you God? Calling people names is just as ignorant. When you are hired, you do what your employer, client, account specifics and common knowledge/usage tell you to. Since it is a legal document, typing other than what is dictated, unless grossly in error, can be picked apart in court as NOT WHAT WAS DICTATED or how the person dictates.
Get a life and quit trying to tell others what to do to stoke your own ego. IMHO.
This board is for everyone, good and bad alike. If your chonies are in an uproar over this, what would you do if someone was next to you and "mispoke" something in YOUR grammatically correct terms, haul off and smack them?
Grow up, get a life, and quit being the grammar Nazi. Life is much too short!
IMHO
Go ahead and flame me, they will probably delete this anyway.
Been there, done that.
"LIKE" - nm
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thumbs up (NM) - anon
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90% of success is in the attitude -- good to remember. - nm
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idiots doing QA - threedogs
[ In Reply To ..]I used to do QA and did not like it. I admire all who do it. Always thank them for the feedback too. We are all part of a team and should resolve differences in a polite and business-like manner.
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