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Some questions for those who are already coders: - Rocky Raccoon


Posted: Aug 31, 2010

I spent the better part of today looking at jobs other than MT.  Although very few hospitals had openings for MTs (they probably don't even have an MT Dept. anymore), there were coder jobs at almost every facility.  None of the ads I looked at gave a wage.  What does an experienced (5+ years) coder usually make?  Are you paid on production, or by the hour? 

Is coding done on a computer?  What sort of software is used, and in your own experience, is it better to use than the disasters we're stuck with using for Transcription?

What was your school experience like?  Was it tedious?  Enjoyable?  Interesting?  Boring?  Do you look forward to going to work each day, or do you dread it?  Do you work a normal 40-hour week?  If inhouse, where are you?  Back office?  Upstairs?  The basement?  Under a stairwell (like many MTs used to be, when inhouse!)

I still can't get a handle on exactly what coders do.  What is your day like?  Can you describe a single, typical coding job from start to finish?  How much reasearch you need to do for each aspect of that job?  Is it a sea of backtracking and looking up minutia, or is it fairly straightforward? 

Today for the first time ever, I started to consider coding as something to possibly get into, in order to escape from MT.  But this time around, I want to be as sure as I can that:

a)  I don't get scammed.

b)  I'm not jumping from the frying pan into the fire, in terms of on-the-job stress, abuse, pay, work opportunities, etc.

c)  That spending all that time, effort and money in school to get certified wouldn't result in no opportunities whatsoever for a newbie, or all be offshored in 5 years. 

Any input, description of working conditions and what you actually do, pros, cons, etc. would be greatly appreciated. 

Questions - Anonymous

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1. I won't give a specific salary but coders are paid well. Some work on production, some are paid hourly.
2. Work is done on a computer. 3M is probably the most common encoding software used, my facility has something different because we are small. It cannot be compared to transcription software because it is a data base of diagnosis and procedure codes. There are also coding books that are used as well as a number of references (Dorland's, Merck Manual, Drug Books).
3. School - Mostly enjoyable, sometimes tedious, always challenging.
4. Generally a 40-hour week. Could be in a doctor's office or clinic, could be in a hospital, could be at home. Your office would probably be in or near medical records or the billing office, wherever they happen to be located. Working at home speaks for itself but the job would be the same.
5. Coding job - Read patient records, either from the EMR or a paper chart and assign numerical diagnosis and procedure codes using software or books. Check records for completeness and inconsistencies (signatures, dates, transcription errors that might have been missed). Contact providers for additional information/confirmation if unsure of code or if not enough documentation is provided. A lot of detail, requires high concentration and whether or not it would be straightforward would depend on your work situation and individual cases. The codes have to be accurate because the facility's reimbursement depends on it so a lot of checking and double checking is necessary.

I'm actually a student and about half way through my program. I intern where I work as an MT and these are the things I know so far. I can't comment on outsourcing. I suppose it happens with larger facilities. I do see a lot of job openings and there are other choices for coders in terms of auditing, analysis and chart review. You can also specialty code or do tumor registry.

That's all I have to say, hope it helps.

Coding Info - Coder

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None of the ads I looked at gave a wage.  What does an experienced (5+ years) coder usually make?  Are you paid on production, or by the hour? 


If you are an employee of a facility, pay is usually hourly.  If you do contract work, pay might be on production, and you can often make quite a lot more on production.  Coders who work on production are often highly motivated, have the ability to focus intensely, and typically work like tigers.   All coding requires very high accuracy, but contract work especially so.


Please do some research on the AHIMA and AAPC websites to get an idea of salaries.  On the AAPC website, it is on the "Resources" tab.  There is also a "what a coder does on the job" survey there.  Note that more difficult specialties, like interventional radiology, pay more than general small-office.  The average for a CPC-I in 2009 was, I think, almost 70K.  Entry level salaries were about 35K.


Is coding done on a computer?  What sort of software is used, and in your own experience, is it better to use than the disasters we're stuck with using for Transcription?


Coding can be done from a book or a computer using encoder software.   As with anything, encoder software is pretty much a reflection of your own glass-half-full or glass-half-empty world view.  I know coders who complain five times an hour about software that others think is a blessing.   Coding is done for some very serious reasons -- reimbursement, statistics, patient care, etc.  The software used is a necessity for electronic systems, and most entities are electronic because that's how they submit their bills.  You just need to adapt to whatever you face.


What was your school experience like?  Was it tedious?  Enjoyable?  Interesting?  Boring?  Do you look forward to going to work each day, or do you dread it?  Do you work a normal 40-hour week?  If inhouse, where are you?  Back office?  Upstairs?  The basement?  Under a stairwell (like many MTs used to be, when inhouse!)


I think school can be interesting and challenging if you are the sort of person who can conjure up a curious and adventuresome spirit.   Coding has never seemed boring to me because it is full of surprises and new things to learn.  Yes, I look forward to going to work.  Most coders I know work a regular 40-hour week, and a lot of them go home at night and code from home.  To me, that's a sign of people who enjoy their work and have a lot of it to do.


I still can't get a handle on exactly what coders do.  What is your day like?  Can you describe a single, typical coding job from start to finish?  How much reasearch you need to do for each aspect of that job?  Is it a sea of backtracking and looking up minutia, or is it fairly straightforward? 


Coders read the documentation for individual patient encounters and/or entire hospital stays and determine the diagnoses and procedures that were done.  They then look up the codes, making rational decisions and often sorting out complicated medical events and concepts.  They may observe the documentation for accuracy and for the degree to which it meets regulatory and reimbursement requirements, and they then may discuss with the provider to obtain clarification or improvement.  They then use code books or software to determine the codes to assign, a process which involves a lot of rules and rational thinking.  They may submit the codes on paper or electronically.  In some cases, the coder might also generate a bill, but maybe not.


It is fairly straightforward, if you consider solving puzzles straightforward.  It does help to be interested in never-ending learning, because you will need to do research.  I wouldn't call it minutia, though.  If you do not enjoy that kind of thing, and if you have a casual attitude toward accuracy and professionalism, coding isn't for you. 

CODING... - glitrgrammi

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Thanks Rocky Raccoon for asking about this profession. I too am an MT and soooo tired of it all. There is no money in transcription anymore. All they want is more work and less pay. So, I too thought about going into coding. I looked into a few schools and listened to their high-pressured speechs about what a wonderful profession this is, and with my experience as an MT for 27 years it would be a breeze. Yea, right!! I knew it was a very intense, attention-to-detail, have-to-be-right job. After all, they do bring in the money to the facility. No thanks! I have decided to go into Pharmacy Technician. It's an up and coming profession, it gets me out of the house, around people and is not near as stressful. At my age, I do not need stress. I know, I know the money isn't there, but that's okay. At least I would have a solid income (no more counting my lines), with good benefits and OMG maybe even health care. I'm so ready to get out of this field. And, they cannot send pharmacy techs overseas. It' a physical job, which I read on a website. Any job that is physical, i.e. hairdresser, nail tech, etc. is a job that cannot be outsourced. Something to think about.

Pharmacy Techs are always asking me how they can be MTs - Nobody seems to be happy anywhere these days

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Just pick a career. You'll find that people are on message boards somewhere screaming that it's horrible work and nothing is worse. What's the answer? I'm not sure there is one. People are unhappy everywhere. Jobs are awful, if you happen to be able to get one at all. Nothing is like the good old days. In fact, I'm not even sure the good old days were all that great.

I think no one is happy because employers have a - free rein to treat employees like dirt.

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You're right about the good 'ol days being gone. In the past decade, my very best summer was when I was off work for 3 months after major surgery.
employers behaving badly - Viva
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I would like to know when it became OK for so many employers to treat employees badly. It's not just the MTSOs; it's law firms, schools, KMart, you name it. There are so many unhappy, stressed-out employees and they don't dare complain for fear of losing their misery-inducing jobs.
It's people in general behaving badly - This morning... - I had a terrible experience in the grocery store
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The woman who was checking me out was angry at a co-worker and stood there yelling at him instead of checking out my groceries. "Well, excuse me, all you had to do is say you were busy doing something else for Cindy, but no, you had to get an attitude when I asked you to..."

I think it's people in general. No classifications needed. The world is angry.
Sometimes what I think this world needs is a - direct hit by a meteor the size of Mars.
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Just vaporize us and get it over with.
meteor hit - Viva
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Maybe that's why there's so much apocalyptic fiction and end-of-the-world movies and such. I think a lot of us secretly wish for a giant planetary enema.

Pharmacy tech - Anonymous

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Good luck with pharmacy tech school. I would guess that measuring prescription doses and dispensing medication would be an attention-to-detail, have to be right job as well. There is not much margin for error there either, and the consequences are more dire if you make a mistake. I'm not saying that pharmacy tech jobs can be outsourced, but physical jobs are outsourced too, just ask all the displaced auto workers.

agreed... and - sm

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the jobs may not be outsourced per se but more and more people are getting rx meds from canadian pharmacies, etc., thus decreasing the demand for techs here in the US!

Thanks so much for all of your replies! - (s/m) - Rocky Raccoon

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Your description of what coding is was very helpful. I don't think it is up my alley. I hate solving puzzles, and reading medical records all day looking for clues would give me a headache.

Thanks for your answers to my questions! I'll keep on looking for something else to do. ;)

To RR - Anonymous

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At least you had the presence of mind to investigate coding before enrolling in school, I'm getting the impression that some people are jumping on the bandwagon before they realize what the job entails. A lot of MTs (like me) have an inquistive nature, love doing research and love learning so it's a good fit for a lot of MTs looking to make a change. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.


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