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Hey East MT, HDS2Coder start back up yet? - CT

Posted: May 30, 2014

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Yes and in fact things seem to be going a lot better - East MT

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Just focusing on ICD9 is a tremendous relief!

But ICD-10 is not just going to disappear. - justouthere

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Could have a very short-lived coding career with that.

Oh, good grief! - It sure might "just disappear"!

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EastMT, don't pay any attention to that! Sheesh! What people won't come up with to discourage others!

You are right, it is a lot easier to learn ICD-9 by itself. Once you do that, it will only take 5 to 15 hours to transition to ICD-10-CM. ICD-10-PCS is so different there is no transitioning to speak of...you just learn it outright.

There is no guarantee that there will ever be a change to ICD-10. It very well might "just disappear." Regardless, you need to learn ICD-9 right now so you can work.

Speaking from experience here -- I know and use both.

I dont recall where I said we would not ever learn ICD10 - East MT

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We will focus on that closer to October 2015. Right now we are focusing on what we can use right now, today, so we can complete the course in a reasonable amount of time. It makes no sense to learn conversions at this point when ICD-10 is over a year away. I do appreciate your concern, though, justoutthere.

How much longer do you have, East? - sm - Tink

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I had thought the program was originally supposed to be done sometime this month, but wasn't sure with the delay. So glad things are better now! Do you know if they're are going to offer the program again later this year?

Not sure, Tink - East MT

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It would be my fervent hope we could transition into the apprenticeship program as originally scheduled, the end of June. But i'm not holding my breath, to be honest. We are supposed to have a conference call on Friday, maybe we will learn more then.

Thank you, East... - Tink

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I hope things work out well for you. We're all pulling for ya!!

thanks! - East MT

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Why is it a relief? Is it easier to learn than ICD-10? - student

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I started an online program that teaches 10, but since the delay, I now have to start all over learning ICD-9. Not really sure what to expect.

well the conversion can be tricky and time consuming - East MT

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We just have a limited amount of time to spend on it and it was a little much, to be honest.

6 of one, half a dozen of the other - Sm

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For the most part, the numbers and some of the guidelines change. That's about all. You still look them up the same.

Since you aren't supposed to be memorizing codes, anyway, there shouldn't be a problem.

Actually in ICD-10 PCS - you do not

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PCS is entirely different. The names of procedures have changed too. Do you even code?

They have not gotten to PCS yet. - Discussion was about CM.

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Yes, PCS is completely different, but they are still doing CM. My comments were in that context.

Yes, I do happen to code and I have been teaching and using ICD-10-CM and PCS for more than 3 years.

ICD-10-PCS is so different that you just abandon the other and start over. I might disagree that the names of procedures are "different." There are just many possible synonyms and the classification system uses formal terms for the purpose of that classification. The names of the procedures stay the same on the physician's end.

How can you possibly know? - It was never specified

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in the conversation just exactly how much they have been taught up to this point. Also, if you are as well versed in PCS as you claim, I hope you are teaching the fact that no eponyms are used in PCS. That is a huge change in terminology regarding the names of procedures. But I'm sure you know that already, as you've been using PCS for 3 years. Lol.

So what? "Appendectomy" is not used either. - NAMES, per se, are not used.

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As I said, it is completely different.

Stop trying to one-up me. It isn't helping your case any.

So what??? - And you say you are

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a trainer in PCS? And you don't understand the significance of not using eponyms? I am not trying to one up you . . . However I am having a hard time believing you are a coder. So a doctor gives you a procedure that is an eponym. And yet PCS does not use eponyms. Therefore you can not find the procedure under the eponym the doctor gave you. You have to understand the procedure enough to know what body parts are involved in said procedure. That's a big change and a big so what. You also have to know what approach is used for said procedure. All of course which you should know, had you been using PCS for 3 years.

Are you a student? - sm

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You appear to be a student. That is the only explanation for such a sophomoric argument, not to mention the fact that you don't seem to be aware yet that we don't code from the name of a procedure.

It makes no difference if the doctor gives you an eponym, because we code from the narrative description. Nothing new in that, either; that is how we code in CPT.

Besides, if you don't know what something is, you can always look it up.

Are you capable of disagreeing with someone - without insulting them

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Oh wait, we know the answer to that one. Nope, not a student any more than you claim to be. Although I'm constantly learning. If you are going to post nontruths in the future, perhaps you should back them up with facts and not insults. Lol.

You have been attacking her throughout - this thread.

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You have been attacking her and disparaging her qualifications from her first post in this thread! Good grief!

Your argument is not with what she says. It is just an effort to be confrontational and disagree.

Nope. I disagree with what she says. - I have no knowledge

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of her qualifications, although she never answered how she knew what the MModal students had studied already.

See, the way I see it, when you try to negate - the post by the MModal

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coding student who prefers working in ICD-9, by saying essentially that 9 and 10 are the same . . . . I am just going to have to disagree. I don't know how much they have learned, because I have no connection with MModal, but there are many, many things that have changed, including coding guidelines. It isn't the same. And a lot of people would agree, evidenced by employers offering retention bonuses for coders who stay through ICD-10, employers who focus heavily on educating their coders in ICD-10, and schools who have switched training from 9 to 10, and now back again. It seems your intention is to make the coding students feel stupid. I am just here to say that I've done both 9 and 10, extensively, and they are not the same.

Uh, no one "negated" the MM coding trainee ... - she was supported.

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No one said what you claim they said. No one said 9 and 10 were the same. No one negated or devalued the MM person.

It is absolutely fascinating that you can twist things around like that.

6 of one, half a dozen of the other - Means they are the same

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It's more interesting to me that you can comment on posts you evidently haven't even read.

Yes, the subject line implied they are the same. - But read the actual message.

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The message content qualifies the headline statement, and you would realize that if you bothered to actually read it.

And I agree with what they are saying. The process of looking up the codes and needing to refer to a set of official guidelines IS the same.

It is bad having to keep track of two different system guidelines when just starting out learning coding, though, and that is probably what the MModal coder meant by it was a relief to just have to learn 9.

I can't understand how this was turned into such an argument.

I did read the actual post - and it was condescending

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But so glad you jumped in to argue that you can't figure out why people are arguing. That's helpful. LOL.

Can you explain exactly what you thought was - condescending?

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I don't see what is condescending.

"For the most part, the numbers and some of the guidelines change. That's about all. You still look them up the same. Since you aren't supposed to be memorizing codes anyway, there shouldn't be a problem."

That was in response to someone who said she was not sure what to expect after her online program switched back to 9. She was not the MModal coder, either, as you said above.

Of course I can - As can the other four

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people who voted their dislike to that post. The question is, should I? The onus is on the poster of the message to consider not just the words coming out of their mouth, but how they will be received. I do understand that, as coders, many of us do not have the opportunity to practice our interpersonal communication skills, so now may be a good teachable moment. Can you not find any reason why four people in addition to myself would find that particular message distasteful?

If you cannot explain, that is the - end of the discussion

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NM

You still won't read posts? - Kind of hard to carry on

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a so called "discussion" with someone so lacking in insight. Four people disliked that post. Why should any of us have to school you in effective communication skills? Figure it out yourself. You are wasting my time.

The responses on your side of this "discussion" - are classic examples of

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The posts on your side of the "discussion" are classic examples of verbally abusive behavior.

Your comment insults everyone who has - actually experienced

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abuse. Someone disagreeing with you does not constitute abuse.

Can we move this post over? - We cant see it!

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How far can this go??? - Scroll over

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Thanks for the updates, East MT, very much - appreciated nm

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Glad to hear it East MT! - RCG

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I learned 9, then 10, now back to 9 again. I am actually enjoying being back in 9. As a new coder, it really is nice to focus on one (or the other), but not coding both at the same time. Please keep us updated!

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