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Do you need anatomy? - sm


Posted: Nov 17, 2010

For MT, "recognition" knowledge of med terms and anatomy is required.  It isn't usually necessary to DO anything with that knowledge.  In other words, the MT doesn't have to make decisions based on the knowledge.  

Coding requires that you use the knowledge.  Here are some situations that come up for coders in general.  Can you answer these without looking anything up?

A particular colonoscopy code can only be used if the scope reaches a point proximal to the splenic flexure.  If the procedure is terminated in the mid-ascending colon, could you use that code?  How about if it proceeds the full extent of the descending and is then terminated due to poor prep? 

Do not code symptoms and signs that are characteristic of a diagnosis.  For instance, if a patient complaining of sore throat, rhinorrhea, and fever is diagnosed with a cold, only the cold is coded.  Patient X, who is febrile and has hypotension, tachycardia, chest pain, oliguria, and Serratia on urine culture, is diagnosed with a UTI and sepsis.  Which of Patient X's signs/symptoms are characteristic of this diagnosis and thus would not be coded? 

Two years ago, a patient had a saphenous bypass graft.  On cardiac catheterization yesterday, this graft was found to be atherosclerotic.  Is this a native coronary artery, an autologous vein bypass graft, a nonautologous biological bypass graft, or something not listed here? 

In a patient with hypertension, chronic renal failure is assumed to be caused by the hypertension.  Should you assume the same for renal insufficiency?  How about acute renal failure? 

Draw the internal anatomy of the knee joint.

What is the difference between an autograft, an allograft, and a xenograft?   Which one is a homograft?  Which is a heterograft? 

On physical exam, a patient has "no JVD."  Which body system does that go with? 

A elderly patient is admitted with pneumonia.  His physical exam mentions lethargy and poor skin turgor.    To what additional diagnosis would that point?   What else would support it?   

When ICD-10 comes along,  you'll need more anatomy to code procedures.  Is the subscapularis part of the back or the shoulder?  How about the superior ulnar collateral artery?  Is that associated with brachial or the axillary artery?  What is the name of the 12th cranial nerve? 

 

A&P - jm

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You all seem to be in a hurry to get there, get done, skip A&P, get your credential and be ready to go. Coding is not like that. You begin; get your basics, and then you progress. You do not progress if you did not build a strong foundation. A&P is part of it. This is a new career. You are starting over. Be excited about it. Absorb all you can. You'll be glad you did! Don't try to skip anatomy and physiology. You need IN-DEPTH knowledge in this area. Experienced coders are getting ready for ICD-10 and are taking refresher courses in Anatomy and physiology. Settle down. Build a strong foundation and go from there.

Thank you, JM and OP - Anonymous

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I am really glad that you posted. I'm a coding student and have been an MT for many years. I had the basic knowledge of anatomy that you describe and when I started the anatomy course in my program I realized how much I did not know. We were required to take blank anatomy charts and label them; maybe there are MTs who can do that now but I was not one of them. I actually got additional books so that I could study outside of my course. In my posts I've tried to tell other students that they do not want to skip anatomy but your examples really emphasize that point. Go ahead and skip it but you'll wish you had not later on.

Its because us MTs are starving... lol. SM - No Name

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I say lol, but its the truth for me. However, I agree. I was looking for a course w/o this, but the more I read here the more I see that the A&P course would be valuable as a refresher course.

Great post. Thanks!

Makes me wonder - sm

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This whole controversy over A&P makes me wonder if aspiring students really understand what they are trying to get out of. Colleges will require you to take A&P if you do not have a credit they will accept in transfer. They will usually refuse any credits older than 5 or so years. Anatomy taught at colleges is usually a difficult, unpleasant course because it is intended to thin out the applicants for a program. At a college that has to accept anyone with a high school diploma, something has to keep people with low potential from getting into a program because if they get in and drop out or flunk out, the program gets bad marks from the college.

Coding programs at independent schools don't have that problem. They aren't teaching A&P to get rid of you, but to enhance your preparation for work. The more A&P they teach, the better off you are.

It doesn't make sense to me that a student would rule out a program because it included A&P and med terms. It may be that students think all programs teach it as separate courses. They don't. Some programs include it in the work. What would these students want them to do? Go through the syllabus and draw an X through every mention of A&P or med terms just because the student is an MT? Depending on the school's licensure or whatever controlling factor they have, it might not even be possible to eliminate it.

Can't the student just review that material and move on? Wouldn't they review anyway for a certification exam?

So, let's say a school does agree to let a student skip that part. Later, when the student takes a certification exam, only a certain number of questions can be gotten wrong and still have a passing score. Does it make sense to waste those opportunities on A&P? Wouldn't it be better to get the A&P right and save them for the coding where they will be needed?

I just wonder if students who want to skip that material are thinking they need to do it to get out of the odious college-type course. It might help them to discuss the situation with the school and find out just how the school teaches the anatomy. They might find it's not as burdensome as they thought it would be.

What I used to think - MTLC

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Several years ago when I was researching coding I thought that A&P would be redundant and boring because I'm an MT. However, my research revealed that coding requires much more in-depth knowledge, as the great post on the subject in this thread confirmed.

I have come to realize that taking A&P will not be a refresher, but rather give me the more detailed understanding I would need to be a good coder.

I have been reformed!

I've also found that to be true, but one more important point - You have to be able to use all that knowledge

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Just taking a course in anatomy and physiology totally dislocated (unrelated) to how you are going to be using it, isn't especially helpful. At least it wasn't in my case. It started making sense when I was able to study it as it related to the section of coding I was working on at the time. Then it would stick. Otherwise, it was gone a few days after I studied it. "Use it or lose it" really makes sense to me now.


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